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		<title>Comment on reformed christology and the westminster htfc report by Stephen Young</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stephen Young</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 20:18:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is very helpful.</description>
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		<title>Comment on reformed christology and the westminster htfc report by poopemerges</title>
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		<dc:creator>poopemerges</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 18:57:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That is brilliant.</description>
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		<title>Comment on reformed christology and the westminster htfc report by mccormack on the Westminster htfc report &#124; Blog Long Island</title>
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		<dc:creator>mccormack on the Westminster htfc report &#124; Blog Long Island</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 18:54:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Hit: 'Conn'-versationDr. Bruce McCormack of Princeton Theological Seminary has just written a thought provoking essay on the Christology of the HTFC report and how it does not reflect a Reformed Christology. You can read the essay here. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Hit: &#8216;Conn&#8217;-versationDr. Bruce McCormack of Princeton Theological Seminary has just written a thought provoking essay on the Christology of the HTFC report and how it does not reflect a Reformed Christology. You can read the essay here. [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on reformed christology and the westminster htfc report by av</title>
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		<dc:creator>av</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 17:06:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for posting this.  It was a very interesting read.  I look forward to seeing more interaction between the writers of the HTFC report and other authors.</description>
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		<title>Comment on reformed christology and the westminster htfc report by R.J.</title>
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		<dc:creator>R.J.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 15:51:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a very interesting piece. I'm looking forward to the response from the writers of the HTFC report (or from Dr. Hart on here?). Hopefully, Dr. McCormack will write more later. 

Thanks so much for posting this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a very interesting piece. I&#8217;m looking forward to the response from the writers of the HTFC report (or from Dr. Hart on here?). Hopefully, Dr. McCormack will write more later. </p>
<p>Thanks so much for posting this.</p>
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		<title>Comment on reformed christology and the westminster htfc report by aboulet</title>
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		<dc:creator>aboulet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 15:30:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Try re-freshing your browser. I had some trouble with the footnotes at first. 

The final two sentences of the essay should read: "Polemical situations rarely provide a seed-bed for careful theology.  And that, it seems to me, is worth thinking about."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Try re-freshing your browser. I had some trouble with the footnotes at first. </p>
<p>The final two sentences of the essay should read: &#8220;Polemical situations rarely provide a seed-bed for careful theology.  And that, it seems to me, is worth thinking about.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>Comment on reformed christology and the westminster htfc report by nick altman</title>
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		<dc:creator>nick altman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 15:30:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>forget my last comment, the part that seems to stop short is just a long footnote.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>forget my last comment, the part that seems to stop short is just a long footnote.</p>
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		<title>Comment on reformed christology and the westminster htfc report by nick altman</title>
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		<dc:creator>nick altman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 15:27:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>art, this essay seems to stop short. can you post the entire thing?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>art, this essay seems to stop short. can you post the entire thing?</p>
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		<title>Comment on reformed christology and the westminster htfc report by mccormack on the htfc report &#171; &#8216;Conn&#8217;-versation</title>
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		<dc:creator>mccormack on the htfc report &#171; &#8216;Conn&#8217;-versation</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 15:18:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] You can read the essay here.    &#160; [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on its all good in beantown by aboulet</title>
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		<dc:creator>aboulet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 14:43:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh man. I almost forgot about that! I'll be honest, at that age I liked the college football team with either colors or a logo that resonated with me. That seagull guy tokin' on the pipe looked so cool to me!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh man. I almost forgot about that! I&#8217;ll be honest, at that age I liked the college football team with either colors or a logo that resonated with me. That seagull guy tokin&#8217; on the pipe looked so cool to me!</p>
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		<title>Comment on its all good in beantown by Tom D</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 13:39:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ouch.  Can't say it doesn't sting a little bit, but I'd still make fun of you for wearing that Miami Hurricane's Starter jacket. (I'm sure I've got a picture somewhere)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ouch.  Can&#8217;t say it doesn&#8217;t sting a little bit, but I&#8217;d still make fun of you for wearing that Miami Hurricane&#8217;s Starter jacket. (I&#8217;m sure I&#8217;ve got a picture somewhere)</p>
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		<title>Comment on was moses born circumcised? by poopemerges</title>
		<link>http://aboulet.wordpress.com/2008/05/19/was-moses-born-circumcised/#comment-7599</link>
		<dc:creator>poopemerges</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 12:39:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Art:  I got ya.  I mean I believe of course that he was circumcised :)...

But one could argue that given the Context the Steven might even be saying look here is Moses,  acceptable to God and he is not even circumcised yet.  Considering that he will go on to say that the Temple was not God's dwelling and was misguided...and then to tell them that they were Moses rejectors...it would not be outside of the realm of possibility for him to be saying:  Look in this Kingdom things are different than you have been seeing them,  consider Moses, acceptable to God even before he was circumcised...that would fit right within the context of the point he is making.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Art:  I got ya.  I mean I believe of course that he was circumcised :)&#8230;</p>
<p>But one could argue that given the Context the Steven might even be saying look here is Moses,  acceptable to God and he is not even circumcised yet.  Considering that he will go on to say that the Temple was not God&#8217;s dwelling and was misguided&#8230;and then to tell them that they were Moses rejectors&#8230;it would not be outside of the realm of possibility for him to be saying:  Look in this Kingdom things are different than you have been seeing them,  consider Moses, acceptable to God even before he was circumcised&#8230;that would fit right within the context of the point he is making.</p>
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		<title>Comment on books to look for by amybaker</title>
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		<dc:creator>amybaker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 12:17:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am hoping this signals a trend that keller will continue to write books at a greater speed than one per decade!  :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am hoping this signals a trend that keller will continue to write books at a greater speed than one per decade! <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>Comment on books to look for by Miguel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Miguel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 12:12:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very nice. "Exploring..." and "Beginnings..." look very good.

It's also nice to see Keller putting more out now. 

Peace</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very nice. &#8220;Exploring&#8230;&#8221; and &#8220;Beginnings&#8230;&#8221; look very good.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s also nice to see Keller putting more out now. </p>
<p>Peace</p>
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		<title>Comment on was moses born circumcised? by aboulet</title>
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		<dc:creator>aboulet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 05:45:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>cubegirl,

Circumcision is no longer required for Christians, nor is it still a sign of the covenant. That was settled in Acts 15 at the Jerusalem council and discussed at length by Paul in Galatians. In other words, there is not going to be a pile of foreskins outside of the pearly gates.</description>
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<p>Circumcision is no longer required for Christians, nor is it still a sign of the covenant. That was settled in Acts 15 at the Jerusalem council and discussed at length by Paul in Galatians. In other words, there is not going to be a pile of foreskins outside of the pearly gates.</p>
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		<title>Comment on was moses born circumcised? by cubegirl</title>
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		<dc:creator>cubegirl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 05:40:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We're not Jewish (only mildly Catholic), and I did not chop up my son's noodle after birth. I suppose when he makes it to heaven, he can leave his foreskin at the door, if necessary.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We&#8217;re not Jewish (only mildly Catholic), and I did not chop up my son&#8217;s noodle after birth. I suppose when he makes it to heaven, he can leave his foreskin at the door, if necessary.</p>
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		<title>Comment on books to look for by Longing for Holiday</title>
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		<dc:creator>Longing for Holiday</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 04:23:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shh. Don't tell my husband, the bibliophile. 

I can't wait to read Tim's new book either. I've heard the sermon on the prodigal son and it's fantastic. This book will hopefully bring revival  o many believers' hearts (as I hope the last one removed many barriers in seekers' hearts). 

And the Frame book looks great, too. What a kind man. I emailed him out of the blue for help on a presentation I was giving at my last church (me representing the reformed position on the attributes of God vs. Arminian and Open) and he gave me some great input, though he knew me not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shh. Don&#8217;t tell my husband, the bibliophile. </p>
<p>I can&#8217;t wait to read Tim&#8217;s new book either. I&#8217;ve heard the sermon on the prodigal son and it&#8217;s fantastic. This book will hopefully bring revival  o many believers&#8217; hearts (as I hope the last one removed many barriers in seekers&#8217; hearts). </p>
<p>And the Frame book looks great, too. What a kind man. I emailed him out of the blue for help on a presentation I was giving at my last church (me representing the reformed position on the attributes of God vs. Arminian and Open) and he gave me some great input, though he knew me not.</p>
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		<title>Comment on was moses born circumcised? by aboulet</title>
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		<dc:creator>aboulet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 04:00:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;D&lt;/b&gt;: I think there is a mixture of historical and canonical/theological reading going on here.

Canonically/theologically, no, someone does not have to be circumcised in order to be acceptable to God.

Historically, from Genesis 17 until Christ (although probably &lt;i&gt;around&lt;/i&gt; the time of Christ since we read of "God-fearing" Gentiles, i.e., Gentiles who weren't down with the required chop) circumcision was necessary to be within the covenant.

It's hard to come to the conclusion that a person could not only be within the covenant, but lead the covenant community, talk to God, and also be the one to whom God gives Torah, all while continually violating the covenant.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>D</b>: I think there is a mixture of historical and canonical/theological reading going on here.</p>
<p>Canonically/theologically, no, someone does not have to be circumcised in order to be acceptable to God.</p>
<p>Historically, from Genesis 17 until Christ (although probably <i>around</i> the time of Christ since we read of &#8220;God-fearing&#8221; Gentiles, i.e., Gentiles who weren&#8217;t down with the required chop) circumcision was necessary to be within the covenant.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s hard to come to the conclusion that a person could not only be within the covenant, but lead the covenant community, talk to God, and also be the one to whom God gives Torah, all while continually violating the covenant.</p>
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		<title>Comment on was moses born circumcised? by poopemerges</title>
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		<dc:creator>poopemerges</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 04:00:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BTW:  Thayers gives fair as a translation...as a synonym to "elegant"..which LSJ also gives.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BTW:  Thayers gives fair as a translation&#8230;as a synonym to &#8220;elegant&#8221;..which LSJ also gives.</p>
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		<title>Comment on was moses born circumcised? by poopemerges</title>
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		<dc:creator>poopemerges</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 03:51:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Art:  If Moses is a type of Christ and Christ's kingdom is a issue of the heart does Moses have to be Circumcised to be acceptable?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Art:  If Moses is a type of Christ and Christ&#8217;s kingdom is a issue of the heart does Moses have to be Circumcised to be acceptable?</p>
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		<title>Comment on my favorite bosox by its all good in beantown &#171; finitum non capax infiniti</title>
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		<dc:creator>its all good in beantown &#171; finitum non capax infiniti</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 02:51:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Jacoby Ellsbury made a ridiculous catch to save Lester&#8217;s no-no. Last year it was my main man Dustin Pedrioa who showed some love to Buchholtz to save his [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on was moses born circumcised? by aboulet</title>
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		<dc:creator>aboulet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2008 23:59:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I. Howard Marshall, writing in Carson and Beale's &lt;a href="http://www.wtsbooks.com/product-exec/product_id/5291/nm/Commentary_on_the_New_Testament_Use_of_the_Old_Testament_Hardcover_/?utm_source= aboulet&#38;utm_medium= aboulet" rel="nofollow"&gt;&lt;i&gt;Commentary on the New Testament Use of the Old Testament&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/a&gt; (pg. 560), does not give a very satisfying answer. He sees one of two views being acceptable:

1) the use of &lt;i&gt;tw thew&lt;/i&gt; is based on a Hebraism used to express the superlative, as in Jonah 3.3. So the translation would be "and he was an exceedingly beautiful boy."

2) the phrase simply means "fair in the sight of God" as translated by the TNIV.

His first explanation flies in the face of the fact that Luke-Acts is the finest Greek found in the New Testament. Why would a Hebraism, and a Hebraism that is not even found in the Exodus birth narrative nor in the Torah, be used in this instance? This choice seems like a stretch based on what we know about the high level of Greek grammar found in Luke-Acts and based on the text of Exodus 2.1-10.

His second explanation does not due justice to the semantic range of &lt;i&gt; asteios&lt;/i&gt;. The only time &lt;i&gt;asteios&lt;/i&gt; is used in the NT it is referring to the birth of Moses (Acts 7.20; Hebrews 11.23). Both times in the NRSV and ESV it is translated as "beautiful," not "fair." The term &lt;i&gt;kalous&lt;/i&gt; is the only term translated as "fair" in the NT besides &lt;i&gt;eudia&lt;/i&gt;, which means "fair weather." Furthermore, "fair" is not one of the translation choices in BAGD, which uses both the NT and other early Christian literature. To choose to translate &lt;i&gt;asteios&lt;/i&gt; as "fair" seems, at least to me, to be guided by something other than lexicography.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I. Howard Marshall, writing in Carson and Beale&#8217;s <a href="http://www.wtsbooks.com/product-exec/product_id/5291/nm/Commentary_on_the_New_Testament_Use_of_the_Old_Testament_Hardcover_/?utm_source= aboulet&amp;utm_medium= aboulet" rel="nofollow"><i>Commentary on the New Testament Use of the Old Testament</i></a> (pg. 560), does not give a very satisfying answer. He sees one of two views being acceptable:</p>
<p>1) the use of <i>tw thew</i> is based on a Hebraism used to express the superlative, as in Jonah 3.3. So the translation would be &#8220;and he was an exceedingly beautiful boy.&#8221;</p>
<p>2) the phrase simply means &#8220;fair in the sight of God&#8221; as translated by the TNIV.</p>
<p>His first explanation flies in the face of the fact that Luke-Acts is the finest Greek found in the New Testament. Why would a Hebraism, and a Hebraism that is not even found in the Exodus birth narrative nor in the Torah, be used in this instance? This choice seems like a stretch based on what we know about the high level of Greek grammar found in Luke-Acts and based on the text of Exodus 2.1-10.</p>
<p>His second explanation does not due justice to the semantic range of <i> asteios</i>. The only time <i>asteios</i> is used in the NT it is referring to the birth of Moses (Acts 7.20; Hebrews 11.23). Both times in the NRSV and ESV it is translated as &#8220;beautiful,&#8221; not &#8220;fair.&#8221; The term <i>kalous</i> is the only term translated as &#8220;fair&#8221; in the NT besides <i>eudia</i>, which means &#8220;fair weather.&#8221; Furthermore, &#8220;fair&#8221; is not one of the translation choices in BAGD, which uses both the NT and other early Christian literature. To choose to translate <i>asteios</i> as &#8220;fair&#8221; seems, at least to me, to be guided by something other than lexicography.</p>
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		<title>Comment on was moses born circumcised? by aboulet</title>
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		<dc:creator>aboulet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2008 21:42:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sam,

I'm not familiar enough with the post- Nicea camp to comment. 

Even if it seems "wacky," you still have to explain what Stephen means and why that comment makes sense in the context. Thus far, I have not heard a satisfactory interpretation besides the one that is offered (i.e., that Stephen is picking up on second Temple exegetical traditions). I'm willing to listen to you if you can offer one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sam,</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not familiar enough with the post- Nicea camp to comment. </p>
<p>Even if it seems &#8220;wacky,&#8221; you still have to explain what Stephen means and why that comment makes sense in the context. Thus far, I have not heard a satisfactory interpretation besides the one that is offered (i.e., that Stephen is picking up on second Temple exegetical traditions). I&#8217;m willing to listen to you if you can offer one.</p>
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		<title>Comment on was moses born circumcised? by sdesocio</title>
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		<dc:creator>sdesocio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2008 21:19:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah but what about Exodus 4, unless you want to argue that Moses' sons were also circumcised at birth. It makes more sense to say that he wasnt circumcised, afterall he was not raised as an egyptian.

Just a question: anyone in the Orthodox/Catholic-post-nicea camp suggest this idea? It sounds a bit wacky.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah but what about Exodus 4, unless you want to argue that Moses&#8217; sons were also circumcised at birth. It makes more sense to say that he wasnt circumcised, afterall he was not raised as an egyptian.</p>
<p>Just a question: anyone in the Orthodox/Catholic-post-nicea camp suggest this idea? It sounds a bit wacky.</p>
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		<title>Comment on was moses born circumcised? by poopemerges</title>
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		<dc:creator>poopemerges</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2008 18:19:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Act 7 is an interesting passage in general because Stephen continually uses the Hellenist understanding of passages against the Hebraic ones. If you try and line what he says up with the OT the only way to do it is to use the scriptures that the Hellenist use.  This is one of the "messiness" issues...Stephen seems to be contextualizing all that he says to make a concentrated attack..

 So if that is what Stephen is implying I am not sure that it has to be historical...

That said I think that what is implied is not circumcision but rather the Moses found favor.  Stephen is working up this speech in a very deliberate way: He will say things that the Sanhedrin agrees with and then throw in Jabs...So he gives the History of Moses only to say that they rejected him...then he gives the history of the Temple only to say that it has no place.  NT Wright says he does this as a "run up" to his main point in other words he has to recast their history in order to say to them if you knew your history and saw it as I do you would know  I was right.  

But even if circumcision is not implied your point stands from the rest of the passage of the grounds of Hebraic vs. Hellenistic scriptures.

Here is the Irony...yesterday when I referenced you in my message the message was on this passage....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Act 7 is an interesting passage in general because Stephen continually uses the Hellenist understanding of passages against the Hebraic ones. If you try and line what he says up with the OT the only way to do it is to use the scriptures that the Hellenist use.  This is one of the &#8220;messiness&#8221; issues&#8230;Stephen seems to be contextualizing all that he says to make a concentrated attack..</p>
<p> So if that is what Stephen is implying I am not sure that it has to be historical&#8230;</p>
<p>That said I think that what is implied is not circumcision but rather the Moses found favor.  Stephen is working up this speech in a very deliberate way: He will say things that the Sanhedrin agrees with and then throw in Jabs&#8230;So he gives the History of Moses only to say that they rejected him&#8230;then he gives the history of the Temple only to say that it has no place.  NT Wright says he does this as a &#8220;run up&#8221; to his main point in other words he has to recast their history in order to say to them if you knew your history and saw it as I do you would know  I was right.  </p>
<p>But even if circumcision is not implied your point stands from the rest of the passage of the grounds of Hebraic vs. Hellenistic scriptures.</p>
<p>Here is the Irony&#8230;yesterday when I referenced you in my message the message was on this passage&#8230;.</p>
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